One of the problems with the SoHo/NoHo/Chinatown upzoning was and is the many ways developers could get out of building affordable housing. The opportunity zones that allow greater density and taller buildings are largely in floodplains, where developers could easily plead hardship. There are so many workarounds to get out of it. At the same time, the residents are now dealing with the impact of big-box stores that have no required loading docks, and late night entertainment in the form of interactive experiential retail. And that was the actual goal of the zoning. Not housing and definitely not affordable housing.
I know there are many aspects to the policy, and I'm not familiar with all of its impacts. But there's reason to believe homes, including affordable homes, will be built. The first project proposed through the rezoning is a 100 unit building (actually pretty nice looking) at 277 Canal with 25 BMR units. Another similarly sized project was just proposed at 32 Thompson St.
SoHo and NoHo have over 8k inhabitants., a considerable increase over the small population there when the artists first started moving into what was a derelict manufacturing district. Almost every building here is a commercial or manufacturing building repurposed to mixed use. Construction has been constant.
277 Canal Street is barely scratching the surface with its residents to be. The building will have 75 market rate units and 25 affordable units. Affordable at what AMI, we don't know. I hope its deeply affordable, but doubt it. Whatever the case, it continues gentrifying the area. That is, if it gets built. The zoning has been in effect for over three years. The building design received Landmarks approval over a year ago. No visible movement as yet.
"that’s their opinion. But they also parrot false, anti-housing talking points.”
And this article is YOUR opinion, with multiple false YIYBY points.
(YIYBY - Yes, in YOUR Backyard,{but never in mine.}
"I'm not familiar with all of its impacts.”
Well, maybe you should have done some basic research before parroting deBlasio’s and REBNY’s talking points. But what can we expect from some guy from California?
If you had done research, you would know that not a single one of those multifarious one-story taxpayers has ever been built upon in the 52 years of SoHo’s landmarking, nor ever will be built upon.
Why?
Because their footprint is simply too small to accommodate a stairwell, emergency egress, and an elevator shaft — and still have sufficient usable space to turn a profit.
Again, do your research.
277 Canal is not in SoHo, it is in Chinatown, a trick deBlasio employed to con naifs who know little about the true urban connection in NY but parrot his BS from 3,000 miles away.
He claimed cynically that it was SoHo, to portray those residents opposing his upzoning scheme as “rich, white, elitists”, unlike the real people it would affect = working class Chinese. Class warfare is a common tool of YIYBYs and desperate politicians.
32 Thompson Street has not said one word about a single unit of affordable housing. Just more luxury housing in a city full of luxury housing. Again, do your homework first.
The only building actually constructed since the upzoning has been an out-of-scale 20-story COMMERCIAL building in NoHo, in a block of 3- and 6-story buildings. Not a single unit of AH.
Yet again, another nail in deBlasio’s upzoning coffin and your “opinion".
I won’t repeat Lora’s remarks about all the upzoning has accomplished so far is to allow big-box retail of unlimited square footage and new super-huge restaurants, belying SoHo’s reputation of quirky boutiques and quaint bistros.
So please do your homework before spreading further nonsense.
"that’s their opinion. But they also parrot false, anti-housing talking points.”
And this article is YOUR opinion, with multiple false YIYBY points.
(YIYBY - Yes, in YOUR Backyard,{but never in mine.}
"I'm not familiar with all of its impacts.”
Well, maybe you should have done some basic research before parroting deBlasio’s and REBNY’s talking points. But what can we expect from some guy from California?
If you had done research, you would know that not a single one of those multifarious one-story taxpayers has ever been built upon in the 52 years of SoHo’s landmarking, nor ever will be built upon.
Why?
Because their footprint is simply too small to accommodate a stairwell, emergency egress, and an elevator shaft — and still have sufficient usable space to turn a profit.
Again, do your research.
277 Canal is not in SoHo, it is in Chinatown, a trick deBlasio employed to con naifs who know little about the true urban connection in NY but parrot his BS from 3,000 miles away.
He claimed cynically that it was SoHo, to portray those residents opposing his upzoning scheme as “rich, white, elitists”, unlike the real people it would affect = working class Chinese. Class warfare is a common tool of YIYBYs and desperate politicians.
32 Thompson Street has not said one word about a single unit of affordable housing. Just more luxury housing in a city full of luxury housing. Again, do your homework first.
The only building actually constructed since the upzoning has been an out-of-scale 20-story COMMERCIAL building in NoHo, in a block of 3- and 6-story buildings. Not a single unit of AH.
Yet again, another nail in deBlasio’s upzoning coffin and your “opinion".
I won’t repeat Lora’s remarks about all the upzoning has accomplished so far is to allow big-box retail of unlimited square footage and new super-huge restaurants, belying SoHo’s reputation of quirky boutiques and quaint bistros.
So please do your homework before spreading further nonsense.
One of the problems with the SoHo/NoHo/Chinatown upzoning was and is the many ways developers could get out of building affordable housing. The opportunity zones that allow greater density and taller buildings are largely in floodplains, where developers could easily plead hardship. There are so many workarounds to get out of it. At the same time, the residents are now dealing with the impact of big-box stores that have no required loading docks, and late night entertainment in the form of interactive experiential retail. And that was the actual goal of the zoning. Not housing and definitely not affordable housing.
I know there are many aspects to the policy, and I'm not familiar with all of its impacts. But there's reason to believe homes, including affordable homes, will be built. The first project proposed through the rezoning is a 100 unit building (actually pretty nice looking) at 277 Canal with 25 BMR units. Another similarly sized project was just proposed at 32 Thompson St.
https://newyorkyimby.com/2023/06/developers-reveal-first-renderings-of-affordable-housing-property-277-canal-street.html
SoHo and NoHo have over 8k inhabitants., a considerable increase over the small population there when the artists first started moving into what was a derelict manufacturing district. Almost every building here is a commercial or manufacturing building repurposed to mixed use. Construction has been constant.
277 Canal Street is barely scratching the surface with its residents to be. The building will have 75 market rate units and 25 affordable units. Affordable at what AMI, we don't know. I hope its deeply affordable, but doubt it. Whatever the case, it continues gentrifying the area. That is, if it gets built. The zoning has been in effect for over three years. The building design received Landmarks approval over a year ago. No visible movement as yet.
Sean Sweeney
just now
"that’s their opinion. But they also parrot false, anti-housing talking points.”
And this article is YOUR opinion, with multiple false YIYBY points.
(YIYBY - Yes, in YOUR Backyard,{but never in mine.}
"I'm not familiar with all of its impacts.”
Well, maybe you should have done some basic research before parroting deBlasio’s and REBNY’s talking points. But what can we expect from some guy from California?
If you had done research, you would know that not a single one of those multifarious one-story taxpayers has ever been built upon in the 52 years of SoHo’s landmarking, nor ever will be built upon.
Why?
Because their footprint is simply too small to accommodate a stairwell, emergency egress, and an elevator shaft — and still have sufficient usable space to turn a profit.
Again, do your research.
277 Canal is not in SoHo, it is in Chinatown, a trick deBlasio employed to con naifs who know little about the true urban connection in NY but parrot his BS from 3,000 miles away.
He claimed cynically that it was SoHo, to portray those residents opposing his upzoning scheme as “rich, white, elitists”, unlike the real people it would affect = working class Chinese. Class warfare is a common tool of YIYBYs and desperate politicians.
32 Thompson Street has not said one word about a single unit of affordable housing. Just more luxury housing in a city full of luxury housing. Again, do your homework first.
The only building actually constructed since the upzoning has been an out-of-scale 20-story COMMERCIAL building in NoHo, in a block of 3- and 6-story buildings. Not a single unit of AH.
Yet again, another nail in deBlasio’s upzoning coffin and your “opinion".
I won’t repeat Lora’s remarks about all the upzoning has accomplished so far is to allow big-box retail of unlimited square footage and new super-huge restaurants, belying SoHo’s reputation of quirky boutiques and quaint bistros.
So please do your homework before spreading further nonsense.
"that’s their opinion. But they also parrot false, anti-housing talking points.”
And this article is YOUR opinion, with multiple false YIYBY points.
(YIYBY - Yes, in YOUR Backyard,{but never in mine.}
"I'm not familiar with all of its impacts.”
Well, maybe you should have done some basic research before parroting deBlasio’s and REBNY’s talking points. But what can we expect from some guy from California?
If you had done research, you would know that not a single one of those multifarious one-story taxpayers has ever been built upon in the 52 years of SoHo’s landmarking, nor ever will be built upon.
Why?
Because their footprint is simply too small to accommodate a stairwell, emergency egress, and an elevator shaft — and still have sufficient usable space to turn a profit.
Again, do your research.
277 Canal is not in SoHo, it is in Chinatown, a trick deBlasio employed to con naifs who know little about the true urban connection in NY but parrot his BS from 3,000 miles away.
He claimed cynically that it was SoHo, to portray those residents opposing his upzoning scheme as “rich, white, elitists”, unlike the real people it would affect = working class Chinese. Class warfare is a common tool of YIYBYs and desperate politicians.
32 Thompson Street has not said one word about a single unit of affordable housing. Just more luxury housing in a city full of luxury housing. Again, do your homework first.
The only building actually constructed since the upzoning has been an out-of-scale 20-story COMMERCIAL building in NoHo, in a block of 3- and 6-story buildings. Not a single unit of AH.
Yet again, another nail in deBlasio’s upzoning coffin and your “opinion".
I won’t repeat Lora’s remarks about all the upzoning has accomplished so far is to allow big-box retail of unlimited square footage and new super-huge restaurants, belying SoHo’s reputation of quirky boutiques and quaint bistros.
So please do your homework before spreading further nonsense.